I really like John Papola. I met him years ago when I was on his podcast—long before the madness of this current culture war. Last time we met, we were at Incubate Debate, which is a national high school debate tournament that lives up to its description, “Our tournaments are non-partisan with the intention of educating and exposing students to all sides on issues of national importance.”
After a dinner filled with nonstop laughter, and debating some substantive differences of opinion, John invited me on his show Dad Saves America, and I invited him on mine. We had a frank discussion about saving America, Trump (of course), and the collapse of the left.
We watched a brief clip of Douglas Murray and reacted to it, and then discussed K-12 education, the end of the US Department of Education, my friend Katharine Birbalsingh and the wonderful work she’s doing as a Headmistress in London, Marxism, love vs epistemology, and, of course, Star Trek.
I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. John is a breath of fresh air.
Loved coming on the show, Peter. Super fun conversation. Let’s keep it going when you’re in Austin…
Really enjoyed this, you play off each other really well and are great at not getting bogged down in the weeds of the conversation.
I also love hearing Peter talk about sci-fi, I'd go mad for a star trek commentary series but even more I'd love to hear Peter connect with Mike Stoklasa over at RedLetterMedia, he's a proper Trek-Head and his old Star Wars prequel reviews were the prototype for the Critical Drinker.