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Helen Joyce and Jonathan Haidt are my intellectual crushes. So well spoken. I could listen all day.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Peter Boghossian

Wow. I am in Germany and stayed awake until 2:00 pm. This is amazing. I love Helen and saw nearly every lecture/discussion of her, but your conversation with her its's totally different and SOMETHING ELSE. R-e-s-p-e-c-t!!! 🔝🔝🔝

About religion I had exactly the same conversation with my husband yesterday. I'm watching the series American Gods (based in Neil Gaiman book). It's about a dispute between old gods from different religions and the new ones: technology, media, social media. I am an atheist but I was telling him that I can see in the serie a similarity with WokusDei. At least the old goods in the series are based in reality: Ostera/Spring, Thor/Thunder, Bilquis/Love, etc whether the things woke believe in are total mental and the damage for society is huge. Maybe religion has indeed a structural role in society, and that's why it needs to be integrated as Ken Wilbur says.

Again: CONGRATS Peter!!! 👏👏👏

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"You are on the wrong side of history."

That is a phrase straight out Marxist ideology. The end of history is when communism is achieved. Marxists say that you are on the right side of history when you become an activist devoted to the dialectical process of moving toward communism. In other words, you incorporate the "critical consciousness" of woke cult religion and you do the work required of a religious devotee. In contrast, you are on the "wrong side of history" if you don't believe in that religion, you disagree with Marxist ideology, and you are not interested in helping them destroy Western democracies and bring on communism like a good Marxist should. One good source I can think of is "Race Marxism" by James Lindsay, who has also talked about this topic in some of his podcasts on https://newdiscourses.com/

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The last minutes (i.e., the analogy to the Japanese soldiers, and on) were eye opening. Never thought of that. Good work!

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I highly recommend Helen Joyce's book.

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I am now asking trans widows, women who divorced crossdressing men, to contact me for the purpose of the only data collection on us in the world at this time. If James Cantor, a "sexologist" can cite a study where N= 25 on the subject of convicted child sexual molesters, then my ongoing statistics on women like me can start at 34, where we're at now. Of the 34, 14 of us lived for a time in poverty when our ex stopped paying child support. 13 of us were coerced/induced/urged to engage in "sex role play" involving use of a strap on dildo. Of these women, 5 were raped, some repeatedly, when hubby decided to switch roles. None of the rapes was reported to law enforcement. 12 of us caught him wearing our clothing, and some of that goes underreported. Link to the 20 Questions Survey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H4aDv-AmMk&t=10s

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Happy 4th of July! Your conversation with Helen Joyce left me with a lot to think about, thank you for sharing! You both provided great insight into what contributes to the creation of ideological impasses and the shutting down of debate. I really respect your candid conversation regarding the new atheist movement. I was thinking about Helen's comments about women's sports, and she provides what I think is a good reason to avoid emotion and a good example of how to avoid emotion on that topic. She told us the most effective logical argument https://youtu.be/ZG9_lcln7FU?t=1306 and possibly told us why other logical arguments are not effective. https://youtu.be/ZG9_lcln7FU?t=1284 What made the effective example stand out from the others to me was that it passes the emotional sniff test. She presents a logical argument regarding weightlifting competition separated by weight and sex. In the example, men are competing against men and women are competing against women. When her conversation partner considers her logical argument and then asks, “how do I feel about this?” There is no emotional response to utilize as information, only reason and evidence. The other ineffective examples include men competing in women’s sports. As Helen pointed out, that doesn’t pass the emotional sniff test.

I agree with your assessment that a frustrating amount of Social Justice advocates have trained themselves to not engage and to not know the arguments. https://youtu.be/ZG9_lcln7FU?t=3090 I think everyone has the potential to find themselves in that mindset and it is common enough to find in any group that becomes large enough. I suspect it was not a totally conscious decision for many and that they had assistance in coming to these conclusions; the thought-terminating responses are clichés after all. https://youtu.be/ZG9_lcln7FU?t=1898 The cliché is packaged into a nice pair of stimulus (the response to one’s claim) and response (how to interpret and react to that response) while ironically labeling the stimulus a dog whistle. https://youtu.be/ZG9_lcln7FU?t=3042

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I agree with her more and more...

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Helen Joyce is fighting the good fight for women,children and society at large.I thank you.Truth matters!

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So I'm clear, trans men, being biological female, should be allowed in women's spaces. Never really thought about that, but are there in fact such people who wish to be in women's spaces (since they see themselves as men)? I'm confused...guess I'll have to just go listen to the podcast. :-)

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