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Wanda Halpert's avatar

Follow the money! It is $200,000 to $300,000 for the surgery and $1,200,000 for the non-FDA approved dangerous drugs patients must take for the rest of their life. Surgeons and pharma are making $ Billions by maiming our children for life and all belong in jail!

In 200 years after you die, when they dig up your bones, they will be able to see if you were XX or XY.

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u.n. owen's avatar

Since we don't know who we are until we pass through puberty there are no trans kids, I was a bullied queer kid & puberty changed me, leave the kids alone & let them benefit from natural trans.

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Col Edward H R Green's avatar

I aver that it is safest for a child who believes s/he is "born in the wrong body" to undergo only talk therapy through puberty, addressing autism, anxieties, traumas, etc. that might be the source of the confusion. If as an adult s/he is clinically determined to actually have gender dysphoria, non-invasive treatment, and appropriate medical therapy would be the best strategy so as to avoid irreversible and regretted surgical procedures.

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George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

Puberty is not a health crisis. It's a natural part of growing up.

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Col Edward H R Green's avatar

The concept "non-binary" is an invalid concept because a human being cannot be neither male nor female, i.e. neuter. The binary is absolute, even in the case of an intersex person in whom male or female predominates because ether male gametes or female gametes are present, not both.

"Gender fluid" contrary to how "trans" folk use it to mean a multitude of selves beyond male and female (Multiple Personality Disorder?), actually refers to the broad and variable emotions that human beings can experience, and the behaviors they can exhibit to express them. It's a performative concept, not a biological one.

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George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

Of course there are trans kids. The more important question is "What does the trans thing mean?"

No child is born in the wrong body.

Trans is a psychotic delusion. PLENTY of people are deluded. Trans is no different. But here's the key:

TRANS IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT YOU NEED TO CUT OFF YOUR BOOBS OR DICK.

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u.n. owen's avatar

There aren't even trans adults since we cannot change sex, sperm or egg.

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

Most criminal laws have protections against interfering with children. Interference definitely includes conversion therapy, so why shouldn’t it protect them from reverse conversion therapy? Transgenderism as a form of conversion is far more damaging because it could lead to severe medical problems or sterilization in some places. Homophobic conversion therapy only leads to psychological harm.

Moreover the logic behind such protections are similar to drinking, sex, or driving age limits. If someone is not an adult, they aren’t mature enough and the law needs to protect everyone. Laws that protect children from being sterilized too.

Protections aren’t “rights”, as in freedoms, but they’re like negative limitations of freedoms that protect people. The law should protect kids from transgender circumstances until they are legally old enough to decide.

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u.n. owen's avatar

Children cannot consent, yet this happens. Let's give insulin to non-diabetics! Or smokes to kids.

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Abraham H.'s avatar

I like the answer, "we would have had to have gotten very lost on the internet and been on some satire website" (45:24) better than "I would need to suffer amnesia" (39:30), and "I've read too much" (45:38). I think the latter is the type of answer one gets when the goal is to provide a plausible scenario for changing a strongly held belief, while the former is an example in which the importance of the plausibility of the scenario is diminished and keeps the conversation open enough to inquire why the less plausible scenario is persuasive.

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craig castanet's avatar

This topic is only for adults. I would argue that the whole LGBTQ issue is about mental illness. That's not a condemnation, just my appraisal of reality. The existential purpose of life is procreation. If you have a physical or mental disability or aversion to that, you are ill. If the disability has mental origins, you are mentally ill. Mental illness is endemic in the human population. It is normal in populations, not in individuals. But individuals take offense to the fact they are mentally ill, because it is their identity. That's the rub. But it serves the population's interest to identify the ill, and we stigmatize them for the population's interest. But we don't have to persecute them. NOR SHOULD WE EXAULT THEM, as the political left does. This is a simple issue, made difficult by, no surprise, the mentally ill.

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Sweet Caroline's avatar

This was excellent. Watching Mia and Sierra was so helpful b/c it is nearly impossible to debate this topic and yet the reason why it is so hard to help people understand evades me. I know it is cult belief but still… I could see their frustration and desire to get out every bit of facts, knowledge, reasoning and just plain instinct and yet, they know SO much and it was still such a challenge. I applaud your desire to do this. Keep it up. It helps us all b/c every now and then we use something you have taught us. How can people be so blind?

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Mr. Ala's avatar

Münchausen’s syndrome by proxy patients exist vs. No, they don’t.

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Crimson's avatar

This was painful to listen to. A lot like the “porn is harmless and you’re not supposed to notice it broke Gen Z” drivel I put up with in the media for decades now.

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letterwriter's avatar

Yes. The daughter of friend was born in a butch body, like her mother's cousin, a butch dyke. Thr young girl was teased by her playmates for not being feminine and at some point fairly early developed a sense of herself as not a girl. The parents--mother driven--moved the family to a state which affirms without question. The girl developed a phobia of pubertal development (didn't want her period) and was put on blockers before puberty. She's been taking testosterone for a while now. She's still not of age.

When the family moved to this affirming state, the girl and the mother were much happier: the girl was popular as a "boy".

The twin daughters of the mother's brother also decided they were queer and then one of them decided she was trans, but that came a lot later--maybe 17 or 18 years old. They'd just been little goth-punk-crusty girls before that. The father isn't on board with it, but their mother has BPD.

So yes it happens, in a variety of ways. Other kids in that cohort are going down the same path in various ways. I find it hard to believe anyone remains unaware of this. There aren't that many young lesbians left, especially not the butch type.

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itsmenotyou's avatar

"Your cutting my future wages", said the evil doctor in plain clothes.

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Bill Bradford's avatar

"Sexual orientation" is "biological"? That's redundant. ANYTHING human is biological! Duh! Think about what you're actually saying! Sexual reproduction via penile-vaginal intercourse is biological, NOT "cultural" or "social"....

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Col Edward H R Green's avatar

I aver that all human behavior, including sexual orientation, has a biological basis. Male and female hormones influence brain development during the fetal stage; consequently, they play a role in influencing physical development, sex identity, personality, preferences, and behaviors, which have influenced the development of social, familial, and occupational expectations for males and females, thus engendering stereotypes for both.

Human biological and behavioral sciences have come a long way since the 19th Century, resulting in legitimate challenges to sexual stereotypes resulting in a broadening of familial roles and occupational opportunities for both men and women.

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