i can relay a story from my boyfriend's work as a props person on a broadway show. one night during a performance, an actress who identified as a "they" got her (their) foot (feet) caught in a track on stage. the show was stopped and an ambulance arrived. the EMS guy got the woman (women, people, them?) out of the trap and onto a (one, singular) stretcher to be taken to the hospital.
the stage manager said over the speaker "how are they?" and the poor EMS guy said "what? was someone else hurt?"
he had only brought one stretcher and only expected one injured person. that's how the english language works. "she WAS hurt"- "they WERE hurt." these distinctions allow people to speak and be understood. "they WAS hurt" just sounds like bad english. and it's confusing. the last thing you want in an emergency is for your EMS worker to be confused. you really don't want your fireman to risk his life any longer than necessary looking for imaginary people to save because the person he had already saved identified as a plural. we might allow the queen of england to use the plural because traditionally, she represents god but the rest of us non-blue blooded mortals are single individuals who represent nothing beyond ourselves and get to use the grammar that goes along with being a single individual
It always baffles me how this new fad thinks it can just change language and expect everyone else to just go along with it! No, you are not special, you don’t get to just decide how language works now and change the way it’s used based on some inner sense of yourself. Get over yourself that’s what I want to say to the “they” people.
I appreciate these exercises in revealing the mindset within our educational institutions. Thank you.
I think this is the time to stand up for reality and verifiable evidence-based analysis. The young lady supporting the proposition seems to be a product of educational brainwashing. Her snowflake-like fragility is front and center. It seems to act to coercively bully her opponent into enabling her delusional thinking. I believe the term is crybully. If she is representative of the emotional maturity of her generation, her willingness to accept delusional thinking is disturbing and speaks to a bleak future for humanity. Her counter argument to “trans woman in a woman’s prison” was ridiculous.
Arguing for the strongly agree seems like a much stronger argument, tbh. America has long been on a trajectory towards viewing her citizens on completely neutral terms with regards to race, creed, religion and even gender. These are all unalloyed goods, and should continue even if we aren’t comfortable with the perceived implications at first pass.
That being said, legally speaking I think that trans women are for the most part already treated as women, because everyone is theoretically deemed to be equal in the eyes of the law.
The rapist male-to-female trans woman in a women’s prison example is unconvincing to me, for two reasons.
The first is that prisons are often violent places for both men and women, anyway. The introduction of an especially dangerous inmate will always increase the likelihood of violence.
There are tools already available to solve these sorts of problems.
The second reason is that being identified as a woman in prison is hardly the final word on how a prisoner would be treated in prison.
Violent male offenders in mens prisons are regularly kept separate from the general population in prison out of safety concerns for other prisoners.
Doing so for a MTF trans prisoner in a women’s prison would hardly be a new undertaking, let alone an abuse of their rights. Prisoners are already being deprived of their freedom specifically because they were deemed dangerous to those around them. That rationale persists in prison. If the MTF trans woman is deemed to be a threat to other prisoners safety isolating her further is not a bridge too far.
This example is a local policy failure, not an indictment of the legal system.
i can relay a story from my boyfriend's work as a props person on a broadway show. one night during a performance, an actress who identified as a "they" got her (their) foot (feet) caught in a track on stage. the show was stopped and an ambulance arrived. the EMS guy got the woman (women, people, them?) out of the trap and onto a (one, singular) stretcher to be taken to the hospital.
the stage manager said over the speaker "how are they?" and the poor EMS guy said "what? was someone else hurt?"
he had only brought one stretcher and only expected one injured person. that's how the english language works. "she WAS hurt"- "they WERE hurt." these distinctions allow people to speak and be understood. "they WAS hurt" just sounds like bad english. and it's confusing. the last thing you want in an emergency is for your EMS worker to be confused. you really don't want your fireman to risk his life any longer than necessary looking for imaginary people to save because the person he had already saved identified as a plural. we might allow the queen of england to use the plural because traditionally, she represents god but the rest of us non-blue blooded mortals are single individuals who represent nothing beyond ourselves and get to use the grammar that goes along with being a single individual
Thank you for sharing. I think it's important for people to see stories like this.
It always baffles me how this new fad thinks it can just change language and expect everyone else to just go along with it! No, you are not special, you don’t get to just decide how language works now and change the way it’s used based on some inner sense of yourself. Get over yourself that’s what I want to say to the “they” people.
go figure, the woman who thinks that trans "women" should be legally treated as actual women is wearing a mask
Why am I not surprised that the mask-wearer supports the gender woo?
I appreciate these exercises in revealing the mindset within our educational institutions. Thank you.
I think this is the time to stand up for reality and verifiable evidence-based analysis. The young lady supporting the proposition seems to be a product of educational brainwashing. Her snowflake-like fragility is front and center. It seems to act to coercively bully her opponent into enabling her delusional thinking. I believe the term is crybully. If she is representative of the emotional maturity of her generation, her willingness to accept delusional thinking is disturbing and speaks to a bleak future for humanity. Her counter argument to “trans woman in a woman’s prison” was ridiculous.
Arguing for the strongly agree seems like a much stronger argument, tbh. America has long been on a trajectory towards viewing her citizens on completely neutral terms with regards to race, creed, religion and even gender. These are all unalloyed goods, and should continue even if we aren’t comfortable with the perceived implications at first pass.
That being said, legally speaking I think that trans women are for the most part already treated as women, because everyone is theoretically deemed to be equal in the eyes of the law.
The rapist male-to-female trans woman in a women’s prison example is unconvincing to me, for two reasons.
The first is that prisons are often violent places for both men and women, anyway. The introduction of an especially dangerous inmate will always increase the likelihood of violence.
There are tools already available to solve these sorts of problems.
The second reason is that being identified as a woman in prison is hardly the final word on how a prisoner would be treated in prison.
Violent male offenders in mens prisons are regularly kept separate from the general population in prison out of safety concerns for other prisoners.
Doing so for a MTF trans prisoner in a women’s prison would hardly be a new undertaking, let alone an abuse of their rights. Prisoners are already being deprived of their freedom specifically because they were deemed dangerous to those around them. That rationale persists in prison. If the MTF trans woman is deemed to be a threat to other prisoners safety isolating her further is not a bridge too far.
This example is a local policy failure, not an indictment of the legal system.