Kara Dansky is a feminist, lawyer, and author of The Abolition of Sex: How the “Transgender” Agenda Harms Women and Girls. In this interview, Kara's shirt reads "infamous TERF writer," a label given to her by commentator Sam Seder after he reacted to an interaction on Twitter/X between Kara and Christopher Rufo.
Next time, ask Kara if she's heard of trans widow Ute Heggen. She has. I interviewed on the Women's Declaration channel. As I've said many times before, our stories are suppressed, hidden, deemed unimportant compared to the brainwashing of the children. The fact that some offspring of men who crossdress go down the path of self-harm and suicidal ideation while they sit with the trauma of losing their fathers, is apparently unknown. I'm keeping the only data set on trans widows and trans orphans in the world. Hmm.
It's interesting how much of a fuss people have been making about some of the claims in this video on X (Twitter). If you've not seen Matt Thornton's responses, they are diamonds.
So women are only allowed to object to men in the private spaces if they are at risk of assault? And then, well, it’s a little bit on her because she wasn’t a trained ninja or carrying a firearm. Also, this hardly ever happens, amirite? Where is your intellectual humility Peter? You are a man, and there is simply no way for you to understand what it is like to exist in a female body and the demands such a body place upon a woman. We have 30-40 YEARS of reproductive life in which we are bleeding on average 4-5 days a month. We lactate, we miscarry, we have digestive issues from hormone fluctuations - and all this happens in public, in bathrooms and locker rooms. We are rinsing out soiled clothing, we are in a state of undress and vulnerable in stalls. We are handling small children and dealing with their needs. Can you see why women do not want delusional, boundary-crashing males in their spaces? We need safety and privacy in order to fully participate in civic life. Period.
Also, sexual assault isn’t limited to physical attacks. Voyeurism and exhibitionism are sexual fetishes, and women experience both violation and trauma when such assaults occur. But women are not permitted in most states now to object to males in their spaces. (C.f. Planet Fitness). So men watching women in a state of undress or men displaying their erect penises to children and women is just part of the tapestry of modern life. Guns and mace won’t solve this problem, and it was preposterous for you to keep going on as though that was the main takeaway from males demanding access to women’s private spaces. Very disappointing Peter -
Anyone else get the feeling we’re all on the hook for future psychological care for all these people who are pretending to be someone they absolutely are NOT?
I was very disappointed with your last question. Most women take steps ALL THE TIME to protect ourselves from men. So you know one woman who could defend herself against a room of men. So what. That is an exception. Very few women would be capable of achieving that level of skill. Greensox posted an extremely good response. Are you able to expand and what you were trying to say/achieve with that final part of the conversation?
Thank you for modeling great conversation and sharing this one. I really appreciate Kara Dansky’s willingness to have a conversation. Some of the thoughts she shared surprised me and I always enjoy it when I expect one answer to a question and receive another. I wanted to first share one of the surprises and second, share my answer to one of your questions during the conversation.
The biggest surprise was at 10:43, when she said conservatives often accuse feminists of engaging in identity politics and denies the validity of the claim. I would like to have heard her thoughts regarding a few of Diangelo’s claims from her book White Fragility:
“The term identity politics refers to the focus on the barriers specific groups face in their struggle for equality.”
“All progress we have made in the realm of civil rights has been accomplished through identity politics”
“You could not have had a conversation about women’s right to vote and men’s need to grant it without naming women and men.”
“Naming who has access and who doesn’t guides our efforts in challenging injustice.”
I think you gave her the opportunity when you asked her about the work she thought the word “feminism” was doing, so thank you for that. Her answer, describing the kind of work the word “feminism” is doing at 20:26 sounds a lot like Diangelo’s description of “identity politics”.
I wanted to share a few thoughts and quotes in response to a question you asked at 18:23 regarding “inclusiveness”. Thank you for asking the question. My direct answer to the question is that this idea stems from the books of Alice A. Bailey, analogous to the concept of political correctness, and designed to use social cost to drive behavior like a Milgram question.
"The major effect of His appearance will surely be to demonstrate in every land the effects of a spirit of inclusiveness - an inclusiveness which will be channeled or expressed through Him. All who seek right human relations will be gathered automatically to Him, whether they are in one of the great world religions or not; all who see no true or basic difference between religion and religion or between man and man or nation and nation will rally around Him; those who embody the spirit of exclusiveness and separativeness will stand automatically and equally revealed and all men will know them for what they are." Bailey, A.A. The Reappearance of the Christ. Pg. 110.
Former Assistant UN Secretary-General, Robert Muller is considered the father of global education, and the teachings of Bailey had a strong influence on his curriculum.
'UN Secretary General U Thant, a former school headmaster from Burma, and my spiritual master, often said to me when I was his assistant: "Robert, there will be no peace on Earth, if there is not a new education." He was right.' - Robert Muller http://robertmuller.org/rm/R1/World_Core_Curriculum.html
"The underlying philosophy upon which the Robert Muller School is based will be found in the teachings set forth in the books of Alice A. Bailey, by the Tibetan teacher, Djwhal Khul (published by Lucis Publishing Company, 113 University Place, 11th floor, New York, NY 10083) and the teachings of M. Morya as given in the Agni Yoga Series books (published by Agni Yoga Society, Inc., 319 West 107th Street, New York, NY 10025)."
I heard that Peter was getting dragged for saying that women should take steps to protect themselves. I completely agree, and I’m frustrated when men are pushed out of this conversation for making very logical statements like this. (I had an essay about rape and agency and feminism last month in Quillette.) But now that I’ve listened to the conversation, I think:
-Kara is not being entirely honest about her fears of being assaulted ‘every time she steps out of the house’. I find that hard to believe. I do believe that she takes steps throughout her day and in how she has set up her life, as most of us do, to eliminate risk. Not taking public transportation late at night, not moving into a high-crime neighborhood etc.
-I’d guess Kara is fighting not so much for her own safety (which outside of a freakish event, she has the income and maturity to largely ensure) as for that of younger women, teenage girls, women with lower incomes thus not as much choice around safety, women in the dating market, also safety in public bathrooms that are not in swanky DC restaurants owned by your friend and so on.
Public policy, infrastructure, and social norms go a long way toward ensuring the safety of women and girls.
Great discussion as usual, Peter! I thought Kara seemed like a kind and compassionate person. Many of her arguments seemed coherent and compelling, although I think in others her stated ideological commitment to radical feminism obliged her to assert her support for a feminist position over the best-reasoned one.
I agreed with her about gender ideology and in general, about ideas of women empowerment and equality of access.
I think the characterization of all non-dude-on-dude porn as inherently exploitative of women seems incompatible with the female actors in those movies having personal agency or that there are female consumers of porn.
Bummed I missed the subscriber Zoom call. I'm going to try to make the next one. Thanks much, Peter and Reed!
I attended the Suffragette Centennial Concert at Vestal NY's African Road Elementary School's auditorium on March 10, 2020; Kara Dansky, go ahead and keep wearing Diane Keaton's cincher belts instead of the corsets of suicidal thoughts!
Don't think any of you -- Dansky in particular -- have a flaming clue about "biological sex", about the standard biological definitions for the sexes.
They SAY that to have a sex is to have functional gonads of either of two types, those with neither being, ipso facto, sexless.
You lot are hardly better than Cell magazine which asks "Is ‘sex’ a useful category?”. My open letter to them and to the rather clueless if not demented author of it:
Next time, ask Kara if she's heard of trans widow Ute Heggen. She has. I interviewed on the Women's Declaration channel. As I've said many times before, our stories are suppressed, hidden, deemed unimportant compared to the brainwashing of the children. The fact that some offspring of men who crossdress go down the path of self-harm and suicidal ideation while they sit with the trauma of losing their fathers, is apparently unknown. I'm keeping the only data set on trans widows and trans orphans in the world. Hmm.
It's interesting how much of a fuss people have been making about some of the claims in this video on X (Twitter). If you've not seen Matt Thornton's responses, they are diamonds.
So women are only allowed to object to men in the private spaces if they are at risk of assault? And then, well, it’s a little bit on her because she wasn’t a trained ninja or carrying a firearm. Also, this hardly ever happens, amirite? Where is your intellectual humility Peter? You are a man, and there is simply no way for you to understand what it is like to exist in a female body and the demands such a body place upon a woman. We have 30-40 YEARS of reproductive life in which we are bleeding on average 4-5 days a month. We lactate, we miscarry, we have digestive issues from hormone fluctuations - and all this happens in public, in bathrooms and locker rooms. We are rinsing out soiled clothing, we are in a state of undress and vulnerable in stalls. We are handling small children and dealing with their needs. Can you see why women do not want delusional, boundary-crashing males in their spaces? We need safety and privacy in order to fully participate in civic life. Period.
Also, sexual assault isn’t limited to physical attacks. Voyeurism and exhibitionism are sexual fetishes, and women experience both violation and trauma when such assaults occur. But women are not permitted in most states now to object to males in their spaces. (C.f. Planet Fitness). So men watching women in a state of undress or men displaying their erect penises to children and women is just part of the tapestry of modern life. Guns and mace won’t solve this problem, and it was preposterous for you to keep going on as though that was the main takeaway from males demanding access to women’s private spaces. Very disappointing Peter -
Excellent, informative, enlightening talk as always, Peter.
Anyone else get the feeling we’re all on the hook for future psychological care for all these people who are pretending to be someone they absolutely are NOT?
I was very disappointed with your last question. Most women take steps ALL THE TIME to protect ourselves from men. So you know one woman who could defend herself against a room of men. So what. That is an exception. Very few women would be capable of achieving that level of skill. Greensox posted an extremely good response. Are you able to expand and what you were trying to say/achieve with that final part of the conversation?
Thank you for modeling great conversation and sharing this one. I really appreciate Kara Dansky’s willingness to have a conversation. Some of the thoughts she shared surprised me and I always enjoy it when I expect one answer to a question and receive another. I wanted to first share one of the surprises and second, share my answer to one of your questions during the conversation.
The biggest surprise was at 10:43, when she said conservatives often accuse feminists of engaging in identity politics and denies the validity of the claim. I would like to have heard her thoughts regarding a few of Diangelo’s claims from her book White Fragility:
“The term identity politics refers to the focus on the barriers specific groups face in their struggle for equality.”
“All progress we have made in the realm of civil rights has been accomplished through identity politics”
“You could not have had a conversation about women’s right to vote and men’s need to grant it without naming women and men.”
“Naming who has access and who doesn’t guides our efforts in challenging injustice.”
I think you gave her the opportunity when you asked her about the work she thought the word “feminism” was doing, so thank you for that. Her answer, describing the kind of work the word “feminism” is doing at 20:26 sounds a lot like Diangelo’s description of “identity politics”.
I wanted to share a few thoughts and quotes in response to a question you asked at 18:23 regarding “inclusiveness”. Thank you for asking the question. My direct answer to the question is that this idea stems from the books of Alice A. Bailey, analogous to the concept of political correctness, and designed to use social cost to drive behavior like a Milgram question.
"The major effect of His appearance will surely be to demonstrate in every land the effects of a spirit of inclusiveness - an inclusiveness which will be channeled or expressed through Him. All who seek right human relations will be gathered automatically to Him, whether they are in one of the great world religions or not; all who see no true or basic difference between religion and religion or between man and man or nation and nation will rally around Him; those who embody the spirit of exclusiveness and separativeness will stand automatically and equally revealed and all men will know them for what they are." Bailey, A.A. The Reappearance of the Christ. Pg. 110.
http://www.mysticknowledge.org/13-The_Reappearance_of_Christ__DT_Edit_.pdf
Former Assistant UN Secretary-General, Robert Muller is considered the father of global education, and the teachings of Bailey had a strong influence on his curriculum.
'UN Secretary General U Thant, a former school headmaster from Burma, and my spiritual master, often said to me when I was his assistant: "Robert, there will be no peace on Earth, if there is not a new education." He was right.' - Robert Muller http://robertmuller.org/rm/R1/World_Core_Curriculum.html
"The underlying philosophy upon which the Robert Muller School is based will be found in the teachings set forth in the books of Alice A. Bailey, by the Tibetan teacher, Djwhal Khul (published by Lucis Publishing Company, 113 University Place, 11th floor, New York, NY 10083) and the teachings of M. Morya as given in the Agni Yoga Series books (published by Agni Yoga Society, Inc., 319 West 107th Street, New York, NY 10025)."
World Core Curriculum Manual, The Robert Muller School, Arlington, Texas. 1985. Preface. https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Robert_Muller_School_World_Core_Curr.html?id=Z0XIHAAACAAJ
https://www.theschoolofagelesswisdom.org/publications.html
This amounts to a revolution, either of Heaven and Earth or of society, depending on the locus of their beliefs, but it’s all the same. Marxism, Race Marxism, Queer Marxism, and the rest are identical in this form. They are all theosophical religious cults pretending not to be. - James Lindsay https://newdiscourses.substack.com/p/marxism-is-a-cult-religion?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I heard that Peter was getting dragged for saying that women should take steps to protect themselves. I completely agree, and I’m frustrated when men are pushed out of this conversation for making very logical statements like this. (I had an essay about rape and agency and feminism last month in Quillette.) But now that I’ve listened to the conversation, I think:
-Kara is not being entirely honest about her fears of being assaulted ‘every time she steps out of the house’. I find that hard to believe. I do believe that she takes steps throughout her day and in how she has set up her life, as most of us do, to eliminate risk. Not taking public transportation late at night, not moving into a high-crime neighborhood etc.
-I’d guess Kara is fighting not so much for her own safety (which outside of a freakish event, she has the income and maturity to largely ensure) as for that of younger women, teenage girls, women with lower incomes thus not as much choice around safety, women in the dating market, also safety in public bathrooms that are not in swanky DC restaurants owned by your friend and so on.
Public policy, infrastructure, and social norms go a long way toward ensuring the safety of women and girls.
Great conversation tho!
Great discussion as usual, Peter! I thought Kara seemed like a kind and compassionate person. Many of her arguments seemed coherent and compelling, although I think in others her stated ideological commitment to radical feminism obliged her to assert her support for a feminist position over the best-reasoned one.
I agreed with her about gender ideology and in general, about ideas of women empowerment and equality of access.
I think the characterization of all non-dude-on-dude porn as inherently exploitative of women seems incompatible with the female actors in those movies having personal agency or that there are female consumers of porn.
Bummed I missed the subscriber Zoom call. I'm going to try to make the next one. Thanks much, Peter and Reed!
I attended the Suffragette Centennial Concert at Vestal NY's African Road Elementary School's auditorium on March 10, 2020; Kara Dansky, go ahead and keep wearing Diane Keaton's cincher belts instead of the corsets of suicidal thoughts!
Don't think any of you -- Dansky in particular -- have a flaming clue about "biological sex", about the standard biological definitions for the sexes.
They SAY that to have a sex is to have functional gonads of either of two types, those with neither being, ipso facto, sexless.
You lot are hardly better than Cell magazine which asks "Is ‘sex’ a useful category?”. My open letter to them and to the rather clueless if not demented author of it:
https://humanuseofhumanbeings.substack.com/p/is-sex-a-useful-category