Dave Rubin and Peter Boghossian sit down at Dave's studio in Miami, FL to discuss the Trump-Biden runoff, Critical Social Justice Ideology, and the current state of the country.
That is all we need. Something I have been saying for many many years, we need to talk TO each other rather than AT each other (actually way to often its Yelling at someone...Commie...Fascists!)
Here I am An Evangelical Christian, an I give money to a married gay guy. This strikes me as Very Very Weird.
"The tribes are sorting themselves out. The Tribes are not Left/Right, Rich/Poor/Republican/Democrat, Minority/Majority, Religious/Non-Religious. Not sure how to describe Our Side from Their Side, but of this I am sure there are US & THEM. I am fairly sure who is an US and who is a THEM.
The way I have been looking at politics/culture may not be valid anymore, or are becoming Less Valid.
One mans thoughts, freely give and worth Almost that much. "
I live in Orange County but work in Long Beach. The difference is pretty stark… but Orange County definitely Jails. I work a graveyard shift and get off at 3am, I bike to the front of CSULB where I catch a bus to garden grove. I don’t breathe easy until I get to Orange County. But as far as the human element, I love the willingness to struggle with humanity that is in air in Long Beach. I work for a company that takes people who have major issues with work and life sees them progress. It means a lot to me, for instance, to see the guy who would be sneaking several singles of alcohol on his break to now be running a department. This is a company that metabolizes people with real challenges without dictating terms of life.
The way Orange County deals with its problem issues is mainly smash at them with a heavy hand until there is no one left to complain. There’s no blame here… it’s just a reality. We smash people in Orange County until they go away. If you want to call that fixing the problem, I mostly disagree.
For me it’s a question of what you can tolerate and how much of the ugly side of humanity you are capable of working with. I want to see a modernity that also progresses in its ability to metabolize human problems.
It’s also a question of human animals not being entirely civilization ready. We animals are born into a world with intellectual confections that are pretty far from the intuition many people are equipped with evolutionarily. Rungs on the ladder are often hardly there for many people to come through their developmental processes as animals to meaningful places of compatibility with modernity. Even more than things working, humans want tactile connection to the journey in becoming who they are and being apart of what society is. Even low intelligence people want this. And sometimes they would rather be homeless than live in a world overdetermined by their “more intelligent” ”betters”. Should they be able to claim their right to be primitive... somewhere?
It’s the norm for modern people to ask everyone of every intelligence great and small to be ok with the modern world, and if you’re going to demand that, it should come with significant (maybe unachievable) obligations in my opinion. The demand of modernity and people who want to be modern are responsible to the highly processed confections of the modern world (The cell phone, the legal system, the political landscape) There is whiplash between the super modern and the primitive. It’s not clear to me that the modern have more claim to what humanity should be than the primitive. So often the modern end up returning to the primitive in then end (think paleo diet).
Some people are still foraging like hunters and gatherers (homeless) and some are the peak of human achievement capable of managing the legal and political landscape at the best it’s ever been.
I’m not defending any political or radical group that is really just using the issues for their stupid ends. But there are also some underlying realities about humanity and progress here that don’t belong to those radical groups and also don’t disappear just because it has been hidden away in jails and prisons.
As for the left, if people want to build new sorts of social fabrics I hope they know the challenge they’ve gotten themselves into (they don’t). Religion is one of the old fabrics but it was only so so. The help given by religious organizations to the homeless has often come with a lot of baggage. The ignorance on the left of the challenges that have been managed by religion and old fabrics is impossible to overstate. It would be helpful if they actually went to church and saw the things carried by the old organizations before inventing their own (I’ve done that, and don’t regret leaving, or seeing religion as a mostly outdated institution) If you’re on the left and were born on the left you’ve probably been more privileged than anyone you wish to help. Know there must be a better way is far from being able to create a better way.
I wish the left was up to the challenges they’ve gotten themselves into because they are worthwhile challenges, and really at the heart of what’s important to me: letting humans be human at every stage of modernity. Instead people in liberal cities mostly get gaslit and asked to pretend everything is alright or getting better, and asked to sacrifice more by people who don’t even realize the covert narcissism how little they are willing to sacrifice themselves. In Long Beach it might be getting better, I’m optimistic and I love it there. But as I said, I live in Orange County not Long Beach. I know my limits.
We don't have a Homelessness problem we don't have a Crime problem, we don't have a Name The problem in this country. We have a Moral problem in this country, and that means Religion/Faith. IMO A lot of these problems could be solved/brought under control by a return to Religion/Faith. (As Always ..Could..Be Wrong...but I don't think you.)
I have my disagreements with Dave Rubin. Not sure I agree with him on many issues, but I respect his ability to discuss things like this.
That is all we need. Something I have been saying for many many years, we need to talk TO each other rather than AT each other (actually way to often its Yelling at someone...Commie...Fascists!)
Here I am An Evangelical Christian, an I give money to a married gay guy. This strikes me as Very Very Weird.
"The tribes are sorting themselves out. The Tribes are not Left/Right, Rich/Poor/Republican/Democrat, Minority/Majority, Religious/Non-Religious. Not sure how to describe Our Side from Their Side, but of this I am sure there are US & THEM. I am fairly sure who is an US and who is a THEM.
The way I have been looking at politics/culture may not be valid anymore, or are becoming Less Valid.
One mans thoughts, freely give and worth Almost that much. "
Skinny Old Wise Ass (September 19, 2020)
Maybe southern cities have low homeless because they’ve jailed and imprisoned them?
I don't think so. From my understanding it is because they have less tolerance for lawlessness.
I live in Orange County but work in Long Beach. The difference is pretty stark… but Orange County definitely Jails. I work a graveyard shift and get off at 3am, I bike to the front of CSULB where I catch a bus to garden grove. I don’t breathe easy until I get to Orange County. But as far as the human element, I love the willingness to struggle with humanity that is in air in Long Beach. I work for a company that takes people who have major issues with work and life sees them progress. It means a lot to me, for instance, to see the guy who would be sneaking several singles of alcohol on his break to now be running a department. This is a company that metabolizes people with real challenges without dictating terms of life.
The way Orange County deals with its problem issues is mainly smash at them with a heavy hand until there is no one left to complain. There’s no blame here… it’s just a reality. We smash people in Orange County until they go away. If you want to call that fixing the problem, I mostly disagree.
For me it’s a question of what you can tolerate and how much of the ugly side of humanity you are capable of working with. I want to see a modernity that also progresses in its ability to metabolize human problems.
It’s also a question of human animals not being entirely civilization ready. We animals are born into a world with intellectual confections that are pretty far from the intuition many people are equipped with evolutionarily. Rungs on the ladder are often hardly there for many people to come through their developmental processes as animals to meaningful places of compatibility with modernity. Even more than things working, humans want tactile connection to the journey in becoming who they are and being apart of what society is. Even low intelligence people want this. And sometimes they would rather be homeless than live in a world overdetermined by their “more intelligent” ”betters”. Should they be able to claim their right to be primitive... somewhere?
It’s the norm for modern people to ask everyone of every intelligence great and small to be ok with the modern world, and if you’re going to demand that, it should come with significant (maybe unachievable) obligations in my opinion. The demand of modernity and people who want to be modern are responsible to the highly processed confections of the modern world (The cell phone, the legal system, the political landscape) There is whiplash between the super modern and the primitive. It’s not clear to me that the modern have more claim to what humanity should be than the primitive. So often the modern end up returning to the primitive in then end (think paleo diet).
Some people are still foraging like hunters and gatherers (homeless) and some are the peak of human achievement capable of managing the legal and political landscape at the best it’s ever been.
I’m not defending any political or radical group that is really just using the issues for their stupid ends. But there are also some underlying realities about humanity and progress here that don’t belong to those radical groups and also don’t disappear just because it has been hidden away in jails and prisons.
As for the left, if people want to build new sorts of social fabrics I hope they know the challenge they’ve gotten themselves into (they don’t). Religion is one of the old fabrics but it was only so so. The help given by religious organizations to the homeless has often come with a lot of baggage. The ignorance on the left of the challenges that have been managed by religion and old fabrics is impossible to overstate. It would be helpful if they actually went to church and saw the things carried by the old organizations before inventing their own (I’ve done that, and don’t regret leaving, or seeing religion as a mostly outdated institution) If you’re on the left and were born on the left you’ve probably been more privileged than anyone you wish to help. Know there must be a better way is far from being able to create a better way.
I wish the left was up to the challenges they’ve gotten themselves into because they are worthwhile challenges, and really at the heart of what’s important to me: letting humans be human at every stage of modernity. Instead people in liberal cities mostly get gaslit and asked to pretend everything is alright or getting better, and asked to sacrifice more by people who don’t even realize the covert narcissism how little they are willing to sacrifice themselves. In Long Beach it might be getting better, I’m optimistic and I love it there. But as I said, I live in Orange County not Long Beach. I know my limits.
Radical Concept Alert!!!
Dave implied tax cuts and business were the reason for low homelessness.
Part Of The Whole.
We don't have a Homelessness problem we don't have a Crime problem, we don't have a Name The problem in this country. We have a Moral problem in this country, and that means Religion/Faith. IMO A lot of these problems could be solved/brought under control by a return to Religion/Faith. (As Always ..Could..Be Wrong...but I don't think you.)
I can always appreciate an honest opinion even if I disagree. Thanks Steve.